Jen Gilchrist: A Spiritual Teacher Who inspires Success

Intro 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited? Thought Process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already no inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t even have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question some time for another spiritual day with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:43
Spiritual dope. I’m on here today with Jen Gilchrist. She is a speaker and transformational success mentor and spiritual teacher. As an entrepreneur for 22 years as a spiritual mentor for 11 years, Jen has gone from struggling single mom to growing multiple, six figure businesses making money doing what she loves, and empowering others to do the same. She works with highly sensitive and spiritual entrepreneurs on a deep level, helping them to reclaim the confidence, trust and tools needed to harness their intuition, align with their purpose and step into their next level of leadership in their business and life. So they make a bigger impact in the world while experiencing new levels of freedom, time, energy and money and their purpose driven business. Shannon, thanks for being on today. How are you?

Jen Gilchrist 1:31
I’m wonderful. Thanks for having me. Very excited to be here.

Brandon Handley 1:34
I’ll tell you what was kind of funny, Jen is like, I forget exactly how we connected. But it was a while ago, first of all been a while since you’re already talking to beginning here. But I got a second outreach from I think your agency or whoever you’re working with. I was like, well, that’s funny. But I’m talking to her this week that like, Would you be interested in that app. So I’m still interested in we’re still doing it. But you know, it’s kind of like one of those things where I guess it’s a fit, right? So thanks for being on. Typically like to start off with the whole idea that you and I were vessels for source energy, as it were, and this conversation while you and I will have our dialogue, and I’m sure we’ll come away with something amazing and great. There’s going to be somebody else tuning in, that’s really going to resonate with your message. And it can only be delivered through you at this time on this podcast. So that person, what’s that message.

Jen Gilchrist 2:35
The message is coming through for your audience is is around believing in yourself. It’s about having that that ultimate trust and belief in yourself and your vision and your dream. And to know that you are worthy of what it is that you desire. And what it is you see for yourself and that you don’t have to do it all. So reach outside about tuning into that trusting yourself trusting the process and trusting your spiritual support to see you through.

Brandon Handley 3:00
I think that’s a big piece of love the message, a big piece of I guess ourselves as humans, is trying to do it all ourselves. Right? When you say you don’t do it all yourself? Are you talking about like, spiritual assistance or just from other people? Like, what are you? How do you like to look at that?

Unknown Speaker 3:24
I think it’s both really, um, when I was speaking to that message, it was feeling more about tuning in and really working with your spiritual support, right? Meaning connecting with your higher self with your angels, your guides, source, like utilizing that larger part of who you are to be a guidance for you. That’s something that I believe in a lot. It’s helped me a lot in my life and my business, for sure. But also, I think that also extends to the physical world, you know, oftentimes, we try to do it all as solopreneurs, you know, and at a certain point, it’s difficult to manifest or create the business with the vision that you might have if you’re trying to do it all on your own. And so just allowing that support in as well be it a virtual assistant or your team, there might be a time and place where you need to actually allow some physical support in but definitely having that spiritual support being your driving factor to help you figure out the how, for sure, for sure, I find that people have a big vision and then it gets so overwhelming, like how am I going to do this, that they either don’t stop, they don’t start it to begin with, or they start but they stay kind of stuck playing small, because they’re not allowing that support. And so I think that that is something to to really lean into.

Brandon Handley 4:30
For sure. I would love you to talk about this. I mean, let’s talk about this too. One thing that I think I find frustrating in this entrepreneur I’m gonna coach you space is you didn’t get here like overnight. Right? You had successful businesses and you were successful in business before coming into the spiritual space, and you’ve flourished through that as well but like you know, where were you Before now and like how did you get to where you are?

Jen Gilchrist 5:03
Definitely I like to say my life is now a spiritual retreat. And what I mean by that is I feel like, you know, massages, Zumba meditation, you know, for six years in a row I’ve swam, it’s wild dolphins, you know, it is a way to, to rejuvenate myself and find that balance. And I do believe that now that you know, the balance of really that divinity, and that actionable action in life together create sustainable success, and it definitely wasn’t always that way for me. By the age of 30, I was on that hamster wheels of society’s version of success. You know, I was wearing all the hats, I was a single mom, I had built a six figure business doing hair and makeup by the time I was in my 20s, actually, but my first home when I was 30. And I was like on the outside of society’s version of things I looked put together, things were amazing. But on the inside, I was extremely overwhelmed. I had no way to manage my stress, but wine and chocolate was tended to be what I would go towards. And eventually, you know, that caught up with me, that lifestyle caught up with me. I had been a verta friend’s birthday party, it’s been about 12 or 13 years now that I was at my friend’s birthday celebrating her party and had a couple glasses of wine. Next thing you know, I was on my way home. And I ended up rolling my car, looking at twice ending in a ditch. And it was really at this crashing moment that everything came to a halt. And I realized that I couldn’t go on this way couldn’t be so frazzled, I couldn’t have wine be the only way to like de stress my mind. But I was really afraid at that time. Because I didn’t have any other idea how to do life, like how to do life without this. And so I was very afraid. And I had a lot of shame at that time around everything, of course, because we’re putting up that facade to the world that it’s all great. You know, but on the inside, I was feeling you know, how am I going to do this differently? Well, that’s when everything really changed. For me, I prayed I didn’t know what to do. But I just prayed to be at peace and to be happy. Because at that time, though, on the outside, everything looks great. It’s like I had relationships that were toxic. I had my bank account money was coming in, but it was going right back out. And everything, you know, was really just a shambles. And so I prayed. And my grandfather came to me in a dream. And it was really special. He had been like my anchor point really for the whole family. And he died when I was about 10. And so at this time for him to come to me so viscerally in the stream. I just remember feeling his presence and him showing me that I wasn’t alone in this world that I might have all these things going off and, you know, problems to fix and relationships that were going awry, and all the things but that I wasn’t actually alone and that he was there God, the angels universe, you know, was there to support me. And I remember waking up from that dream, feeling like, wow, you know, I don’t have all the answers. But I had this sense of peace and hope in my heart that I had never felt before. And I knew that everything was going to be okay. And it was at that point that I started to really just have the synchronicities. I wouldn’t have had that language for it. At the time, I was raised in a very conservative Christian upbringing. But I started to have these synchronicities that were guiding me to like every self help book, I probably spent the next nine months reading every self help book imaginable. And before you know it, I just my intuition opened up when I started becoming aware of the spiritual side of things, my angels, my guides, and I started really going on this quest, and I realized that, you know, everything was going to be okay. And this is really a big turning point for me in my in my life at that time.

Brandon Handley 8:38
So he had like, this kind of awakening moment, right? You know, predicated by the roll in the car, right? I mean, that’s definitely a wake up call. Right? Like, you’re like, I can’t continue to live this way. You got a whole bunch of shame kind of definitely tied up in that too, right? Because like it was, are we gonna think, you know, I’m trying to do this thing and keep it all together, but I’m a mess. I saw really great. We live in memes these days, don’t we? It was a meme just kind of talking about, like, you know, the life that we’re living now, like, trying to do it all by ourselves, like, we have, we still literally have health, right? Like, I mean, there were, you know, even even in the industrial age, we would have somebody else in the house helping us keep it together, right there was paid paid out. Right. And now we’re just trying to do it by ourselves. And as to keep up this, I got it all together and I can do this thing and it’s a lot and having a single mother myself growing up. It’s too much right? To try and just keep together. So you go through all that. And then you’re having these revelations I love that you connected with like your spirit guides, as it were right angels, your grandfather and somebody come in there to help you and you’re, you’re coming out and you decide to kind of embrace this right now. and move forward into this space. And tell me a little bit about like, what that look like, what was the catalyst there? So you’ve got this hair and makeup businesses you’ve been doing. But now you’re like, feeling it? And you’re like, I want to lean into it. But I don’t like you, like you said to like, you didn’t even have the language or like know what it was. Right? So yeah, talk to me a little bit about that.

Jen Gilchrist 10:23
Yeah, so it was kind of like this point where now I was awakened, right. And I, and I was excited about that. But then I was also pretty much awake in the dark, I hadn’t remember going to my first psychic reading. And at that point, I didn’t know if I believed in psychics, but a friend of mine said goes this lady, you know, she was really great. And she told me that I would be doing what she was doing in five years. And I’m like, but that sounds cool. But I can’t imagine I’m barely even, you know, carrying my grandparents talk to me. So I went on this quest, and really got clear that my deeper inner calling was, in fact to help other people awaken their purpose and their spiritual gifts. And so I created a second, a second business, I was still doing my hair and makeup business, of course, full time. But I began a second business called divine spark within, which was my first iteration of my spiritual work. And it really never took off. And there was two big reasons for that. And one of them I feel was that although I was awakened, I was in the spiritual closet big time. I mean, heaven forbid, my family, my wedding professional friends, my hair clients, or anybody would know about this newly awakened psychic healer, past life, mediumship, angel card reading self, it was like, No way. So I had this really compartmentalised in my life. And the second reason was, I was extremely petrified of public speaking. So much so that I convinced all of my high school teachers to actually let me do all of my oral reports, before or after school, when I was this quiet on her students, they let me do it. I didn’t even join a networking group for two years, because I had to stand up and say, like, 30 seconds of my name, even though I knew it would grow my business, like I was petrified. And so

Brandon Handley 11:59
let me jump in there real quick. Let me jump in there real quick, because this is so funny. I had to do a stand in for BNI, this paddling at networking business networking group this past weekend, and like, I’ve been really trying to promote myself, but I didn’t really have anything else to say. So I was like, Yeah, I’m doing you know, spiritual coaching, whatever and like, but just like you’re saying, I was like, the 30 seconds. I’m like, listen, just give, you’re just giving references to Dave, I’m just filling in for him. I’m just here for the breakfast. I’m good. But I totally understand what you’re saying.

Jen Gilchrist 12:30
Yeah, for sure. Especially, I think, you know, it was the two aspects of it that was keeping you really hidden and small and, and it got really clear that this was keeping me hidden in small my business, right, these visibility fears, this fear of public speaking, my my compartmentalization of my spiritual path, and all those things. But of course, God has a funny sense of humor. And the next thing, you know, I find myself at a conference for attracting clients and like, Well, yeah, that’s what I need, I need to attract clients. And so the next thing I know that we’re talking about speaking, to attract clients, and I’m like, Oh, of course, right. And I, and I remember, you know, feeling this pain of emptiness of not getting my message out. But I was arguing with my angels. I was like, Why, like, there’s no way like, that’s in the future. I saw this vision of speaking on stages and writing books, but I’m like, that’s way down the road. And my angels were like, wow, you know, are you sure? Because I mean, you could make it down the road. And that’s when I realized that I was fighting for my fears. When I was arguing with my angels, I realized, so

Brandon Handley 13:28
what’s, what’s this? It’s like that Marianne Williamson line, right? Or, you know, I’m not sure if you’re an Abraham Hicks fan. You know, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna sit here and argue for your limitations, right? There you are kind of like, you’re basically arguing for your limitations. In that sense. Yeah.

Jen Gilchrist 13:45
And that kind of caught myself, right. And I called myself out on it. And I took myself outside because here I was in this room of like, 300, other highly sensitive, empathic people trying to make this big decision about money and investing in their business. And I, you know, I’ve never done that much before. And so here it was, and I took myself outside and I walked myself through a practice that I could perhaps share with you later, but it was the TLC body meditation that I use with my clients, talk to your body, listen to your body, and commit to this needs. And so I tuned in and I just thought, okay, is this really aligned for me? Like, what is my best aligned step? Because I knew I was triggered in a lot of fear about the financial investment about having to speak, you know, all these things. And so I got really clear that, you know, the pain and emptiness of not filling my purpose was bigger than my fear of public speaking. And so I ended up, you know, tuning into the fact that I also learned that my listen to my mind and logic, fear will stop me versus my heart. I can feel that intuition and trust and leap. And so I leaned into that, and I did that. I went ahead and I signed up for basically it was a $22,000 investment at that time was a lot for me. I didn’t even have my mortgage payment in the bank account, so I couldn’t use it as an excuse, you know, and I’m not going how am I going to pay for 22 months but I’ve been working with my angels long enough to know that I’m always supported in this way. And so I leaned in, and I decided to listen to that to that voice inside of me and not put it off any longer face those fears head on. And now I get to be here sharing with all of you and all of your community and people like this, which I love, supporting others to really know, their conscious creative power themselves and to feel, you know, unstoppable and whatever it is that they’re feeling called to do. So that’s

Brandon Handley 15:22
literally into like the other a couple of other pieces to like. Taking that time to review and inspect your life, and it resonates with me so hard, the pain and emptiness of not fulfilling your purpose, right? That’s just like, a gut punch. Right? Because I still remember I saw my first investment in like, coaching, it was substantial, right? And it was into, like, the podcast, Robin doing it. And my wife and I did not agree on it initially, like that, that was going to be a good idea. Right? And I just sank, right, like, I just felt like, MTT. And, you know, we turn that around later. And, you know, again, you know, it’s not like, I started to, I started to, you know, just find out, okay, she was right in from her perspective as like, you’re right. I agree with you. Listen, I wanted to appreciate the way she was approaching it right? At the same time, like, you know, it took me a minute to get there. And then as soon as I kind of got there myself mentally, and I’m okay with it. She’s like, No, go ahead and go do it, you got to do it. But like, you know, that pain and emptiness of not fulfilling your purpose? Like, that’s huge. Right? So that’s, my guess, is what said to you, like, you know, what, I’m gonna do a substantial investment 22k I’m gonna go ahead and go do that. I mean, who were you talking to about that when you did it? Or should you just do it? And then later told people like, you know, when you decided to make this big change? You know, how did that go over? How’d you accomplish that?

Jen Gilchrist 17:11
Well, I definitely did it on my own. I was still somewhat compartmentalize, you know, I kind of this is coming out of the spiritual closet was like an evolutionary journey. Up to this point, by the time I went to that conference and invested it, it was about five years after, or maybe, no, I guess it’s about three years after I first started my divine spark within business. That didn’t work too well. Right. And I recognize that a lot of my fear about signing up. If I took money out of the equation, I tended to myself and my body. And then of course, my guys, but more it was about what am I actually feeling here? Am I afraid of moving through my comfort zone? Or is it that it’s misaligned? And so in that moment, I realized that it was really moving to my comfort zone, like I was afraid if money wasn’t an object, would I show up for what I owe? Now I would actually have to speak if I do this program. Well, now we’ll actually have to go on stages, I’ll have to actually get up in front of people, my family will actually know about my spiritual work, if I get big, and I actually write a book, you know, like, how can I deal with that. And so I really did have to lean into filling that fear and then doing it anyways. And so to me, it’s was an unfolding process that that was a big stake in the claim, a big investment. And then it continued to have me lean into my fears, and feel my fears and work through my fears, at different steps along my journey, for sure, in order to really just keep showing up for myself and not put other people’s opinions or judgments, or fear of what their judgments might be above what it is, I knew in my heart, I was feeling called to do, just really getting that to that place of not needing other people’s approval, in order to follow what I need to be right for me. And that was that took some time, you know, it’s something that’s, you know, an evolutionary day by day choice that I continued to choose. And, and my parents, you know, they don’t, they don’t, and I love what you said about you and your wife, too. It’s like, when you had that internal fear and resistance, in some ways you are met with it. And that was sort of the same with me and my family, you know, they were raised very much in a Christian upbringing. So they, they were really afraid, at first about, oh, the devil is tricking you, or we know, whatever their religious programming was around it, like seriously, that was this way and I love my family, we’re close. And so that was hard. And I think that kept me sort of wanting to keep it small and hidden and separate for a long time. But eventually, once I got okay with not having to meet their judgment with judging them or not having to need their approval, and I did that in our work on myself, it really dissolved. It’s like, here we are, I see them all the time. Now my business is flourishing, and I’m not hiding it per se. But at the same time, it’s you know, I don’t feel

Brandon Handley 19:42
like was, I’m not hiding it per se, like, what’s that? I mean?

Jen Gilchrist 19:47
No, I, we it’s not like we’re our topic of conversation. They know, this is my full time work for sure. 100%. But what I was, what I was gonna say is it’s not like the topic of every dinner table conversation because it’s not something that we relate on exactly, but it’s an longer that before I was hiding it, right, which triggered this bubble of resistance. And as soon as I got over the need to hide it, and I just let that dissolve because it was okay, whatever their opinion, wasn’t it, it didn’t have to mean anything about me or our relationship, if they didn’t approve, when I let that part go. I wasn’t that without resistance from them anymore. I mean, it’s not going to ever be something that’s our favorite topic of choice, because it’s not their interest, but it doesn’t get in the way anymore. Does that make sense?

Brandon Handley 20:32
Yeah, let’s talk about to like, how, how does your business open up after you let go that, like, tell me a bit about that?

Jen Gilchrist 20:42
Well, in so many ways, right? Because I think that fear of public speaking was a big one. Because, you know, then I began doing videos, I started learning, I learned that I love doing videos, I love teaching online. You know, I began to accept podcasts, interviews, you know, I allowed myself as soon as I got out of just trying to compartmentalize and control who knew what about what’s in my life, as soon as I let myself just be more integrated, and I’ll parts of me coming in, and all areas of my life and business. That’s when opportunities started coming in. I wasn’t blocking them anymore, through my fears. Instead, you know, opportunities of podcasts of speaking of, you know, teaching larger group programs, having higher exposures, more people showing up to my workshops, all of those things began to happen. When I began to shed my visibility fears, because that was literally cloaking me from the people that I was meant to serve. It might have stopped me from having people it didn’t want to know about my business. I’ve got it. But it also stopped me from having my people find me. So now I can be seen at a much larger level and make a much bigger impact. For

Brandon Handley 21:45
sure. No, and I asked that because similar process on this end, right. I had a spiritual kind of awakening scenario. And then I wanted to do, I wanted to share all that stuff out. But I wanted to, I did it by leveraging the, some what they want, give them what they need. So my first one was called, like, prosperity practice, right? Where it’s like, let’s talk about getting new money making successful there. But I knew like that I still wasn’t sharing the truth of the message. And then, and I had, like, it was just kind of there was almost like this resistance that you’re talking about, right? And there’s just kind of like, some type of ethereal friction, as it were, right? And as soon as, as soon as I flipped over and a spiritual dope, like, it just opened up, right? Just like, and I was, like, you know what, I’m just gonna leave a spirituality. And I was like, but I also get, you know, my, when my wife told my inlaws, I was doing a podcast on spiritual I was like, What are you doing? Like, they don’t care, they’re not interested. And some other stuff opened up in there, but you know, so I get that part too. You know, we want to speak to our audience, right? We don’t want to, we don’t want to be in your you’re talking about kind of being super empathetic, right? You take on energies very strongly. So surrounding yourself with people that are kind of aligned with your message, that’s not really a benefit to you.

Jen Gilchrist 23:24
Right, and it takes a little like I can relate with that part of your journey as well because you know, when I first started my business, and it’s like, I realized okay, I gotta learn about marketing there’s a whole learning curve about how to get in front of your people I mean, there’s there’s a whole learning curves are different from my other business for sure. And and I started trying to put myself in like figuring it out. And before you know it, my spirituality it was empowered women’s leadership was like the next major iteration of my business, which was a safer version, oh, well, they can handle this and I can go to a network and that could be a sale and I wasn’t trying to be fake it in ways that it felt aligned in what I taught with intuition and masculine and feminine energy and like how to how to be aligned but but my message but I got watered down in the process, trying to put myself into the square peg of marketing. Sometimes for scripture, entrepreneurs, especially your your message can start to get diluted and actually contorted in a way that isn’t even sounding like what you do, even though it kind of is, you know what I mean? And so I spent my wheels quite a few years trying to figure that out because I wasn’t going to own well actually, I listened to a lot of coaches that basically said, you can’t lead with spirituality you can’t lead with with straight transformation. You can’t lead as a psychic or as a psychic teacher. And it’s like I knew I was called to teach people to develop their intuition. Like that felt right to me. So I kept trying to find other ways to make it more adaptable to marketing standards. And it just didn’t, it never worked until I switched and rebranded and just decided, you know, I don’t care. I’m doing what feels totally good to me. And I’m just gonna start fresh and I’ve kind of tore that brand down rebranded, and fully started teaching, intuitive and psychic Development and everything flourished, you know, and it was just that little bit of marketing tweak that makes a difference. And I think, you know, there is a learning curve to it. But part of it was, I think, still me learning to own that final piece of just really owning that higher truth of who I was, and also not peddling other people’s information above my own and saying, oh, you know, you’re making you’re making you’re making an impact doing your souls work, I should listen to you. And in that process, you know, I spent a few years figuring out that that’s not actually true. We do know, I think learning from others is great. But when you start to consciously abandon yourself a little bit in the process, trying to figure it out. That misalignment will show up in not creating the impact or money that you’re that you’re called for. Right?

Brandon Handley 25:48
Yeah, no. So you’ve got to be your own authority. Right? You’ve got to be your own authority. And I think in that process, you were finding your voice you’re finding, how do I express the truths of like, what’s coming through me? And you had to go through those iterations? Right. I mean, I think that, you know, the people that came before us, like, if you tune into like some old Alan Watts stuff, right, you see, like, you know, there is like as kind of the teacher buttoned up in the beginning, because that’s where he’s accepted. But in the end, like there is as a shaggy, like beatnik smoking pipe guy, right? Like he turned into who he was. And he had to go through those iterations develop his voice in the same way like for you, you’ve got to go through. I mean, it’s a process, you’ve got to develop and find the truth of who you are.

Jen Gilchrist 26:39
I think in that process, yeah, it’s like, to me, your spiritual work is like, you have your big dark night of soul, which is a big whammy for most people, whether it’s health or relationships, or, in my case, a car accident, you know, it’s like, boom, you have that kind of initial spiritual awakening that’s jolting because you go from unconscious to conscious. But then like, to me, the building of my spiritual business is actually the biggest spiritual work I’ve done. Because you have to really dig into your own self worth your own feeling safe being seen your own, you know, confidence and certainty in your gifts. And like, you have to constantly move through that inner fear in order to step out of your comfort zone over and over again, to realize and manifest something that’s an idea and to form. And so I have found it to be deep spiritual work to to build this business and a bit in a way, kind of beautiful, how it works out, right, it kind of forces us to keep aligning with ourselves in order to show up for who we’re meant to be.

Brandon Handley 27:33
know for sure. What would you say the scariest part of leaning into this space was for you? How did you overcome it?

Jen Gilchrist 27:44
I think the scariest part, well, here’s those two pieces, honestly, this the judgment of my family, I think the spiritual closet piece was a really, really big one initially, for sure, just because there’s I didn’t know any, but I didn’t even know the word New Age, when until I was 32. Until this whole thing happened. Like I was in a bubble of what I was raised with, and my family, there were good, like, we have a great relationship, you know, it’s not like I’m estranged from them. And that way, and so to disappoint and to see their fear and their shame, and like all of that was, you know, having to figure out how to move through that that kind of discipline, like when I felt like I was bringing them shame and pain and fear in that way, choosing what I was choosing, that I think was the hardest part was being okay with me and not needing their approval, and being willing to let them have their opinion and have their response, whatever that might be, in order to not betray myself. I think that took a lot of courage. And it took a period of time for me to actually move through that. And I would say that this honestly, the spiritual, you know, public speaking piece is part of that as well. Being sensitive, I didn’t know I was highly sensitive or empathic. And a lot of my fear of public speaking was having to do with being very hyper aware of, you know, in high school, that deadpan stare, and all the judgments and you’re like, Oh, they’re all thinking these things, and you feel so self conscious, you know, and feeling and being hyper aware of that judgment. You know, it really does come down to just loving myself and not needing the approval of others, whether it’s my family, or whether it’s the people I’m speaking to a group that doesn’t get it or, you know, whatever it might be, it’s about me being okay with me. So I think that was the biggest, like, chunk of my journey.

Brandon Handley 29:24
For sure. So I think somewhere along the journey, right, we come to learn that we are creators of our own lives, right? That we’re kind of like a hunt that kind of we’re we’re 100% responsible for the life that we have. Talk to me about like just kind of stumbling on that for yourself and where that dawned on you and what you’ve done with that information.

Jen Gilchrist 29:51
Yeah, I mean, of course, I think it started with you know, the initial some of the first books I read, you know, the, the secret the law of attraction, all those things kind of gave me a taste of it. And so I started recognizing and seeing the synchronicities, seeing sort of the the universe, how the universe gives us signs. And that way and for me, the angels, working with my spiritual support team, especially the archangels, was the one of the first things that came into my, into my awareness early on in my spiritual path. And so cultivating that connection and communication with that with my spiritual support team, and really just learning how to trust my intuition knowing that, you know, first of all, I think it’s about being aware of seeing the signs that when things are working for you, or not working for you that there’s an impact about how you’re thinking and what your actions are taking, that are driving that reality. Right. So being able to take personal responsibility is a huge piece of it, for sure. But within that it was about how do I cultivate that communication and trust that I don’t have to know the how right to me working with my spiritual team was so liberating, because I can have this really big vision and dream that I did that I saw was possible that I felt called to do, but no idea how to accomplish it. So knowing that I can just tap in and ask my angels and guides to support me in helping guide my path, helping to figure out what steps to take, as opposed to my mind trying to figure it out, really helped me feel more free and actually allowed me to, to go after bigger dreams, because I knew I didn’t have to figure it out all on my own, I knew I was supported, I knew I just had to hold that vision, asked for the steps